Phonological and Orthographical Issues Continued

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Re: Phonological and Orthographical Issues Continued

Postby kadani » Sat Mar 27, 2010 3:45 pm

What I have seen so far is that n, ng, m and s are cromulent codas...
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Re: Phonological and Orthographical Issues Continued

Postby Uh-Oh » Sun Mar 28, 2010 11:11 am

kadani wrote:What I have seen so far is that n, ng, m and s are cromulent codas...

Yes. It seems that non-stops are cromulent. Maybe affricates should be excluded too; someone suggested that earlier, I think. So totsos (is that one of the "words" we'd made up?) would not be allowed no matter whether the syllable break is tot-sos or tots-os.

Having /l/ as a coda sounds nice to my ear. It can tend towards a closed front vowel like /u/ in many contexts. Is that troublesome to anybody?
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Re: Phonological and Orthographical Issues Continued

Postby alavda-isere » Sun Mar 28, 2010 12:44 pm

Uh-Oh wrote:
kadani wrote:What I have seen so far is that n, ng, m and s are cromulent codas...

Yes. It seems that non-stops are cromulent. Maybe affricates should be excluded too; someone suggested that earlier, I think. So totsos (is that one of the "words" we'd made up?) would not be allowed no matter whether the syllable break is tot-sos or tots-os.

Having /l/ as a coda sounds nice to my ear. It can tend towards a closed front vowel like /u/ in many contexts. Is that troublesome to anybody?


Hmmm... I like the sound of totsos, though... but yes, I agree with the limitations. So totsos would only be allowable if it were split up as to-tsos, assuming we allow /ts/ as an onset, which, if affricates are not allowed as codes, would mean it would pretty much have to!
I like /l/ as a coda, so long as I can train myself to use true alveolar /l/ and not a dark (velar) l, which I do not care for (and do anyway as an L1 speaker of English).
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Re: Phonological and Orthographical Issues Continued

Postby kadani » Sun Mar 28, 2010 1:16 pm

I interpretes <ts> as digraph in the onset of the 2nd syllable as well. Which was precisely why I didn't list it. :D
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Re: Phonological and Orthographical Issues Continued

Postby Dedalvs » Tue Mar 30, 2010 7:15 pm

Miatato wrote:The proposed phonology seems to stand at:
/a e i o u/ <a e i o u>
/f v ʃ ʒ s z l m n ŋ p t k b d g/ <f v x j s z l m n ng p t k b d g>
With the most recent proposals being "<ng> for /N/, <ngg> for /Ng/, and <n'g> for /ng/" and "<ts> for /ts/, <dz> for /dz/, <tx> for /tS/, and <dj> for /dZ/."


Just getting here...

Are these pretty set in stone? "x" is so infrequently ʃ in natural languages it's hard to remember...
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Re: Phonological and Orthographical Issues Continued

Postby kadani » Tue Mar 30, 2010 7:44 pm

What would you prefer to replace it?
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Re: Phonological and Orthographical Issues Continued

Postby Dedalvs » Wed Mar 31, 2010 6:39 am

kadani wrote:What would you prefer to replace it?


sh = ʃ
zh = ʒ
ch = tʃ
j = dʒ

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Re: Phonological and Orthographical Issues Continued

Postby kadani » Wed Mar 31, 2010 8:23 am

I personally think that this would result in a non-improvement. It just looks worse.
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Re: Phonological and Orthographical Issues Continued

Postby Uh-Oh » Wed Mar 31, 2010 11:22 am

I think <x> is pretty in the role of [S]. Portuguese and a number of other languages use it that way.

Or, contrariwise, <zh> is very rarely used for [Z]. English is the only language I can think of that does that.

I'm liking the orthography. Mostly transparent, with a few "different", but sensible, conventions.
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Re: Phonological and Orthographical Issues Continued

Postby Uh-Oh » Wed Mar 31, 2010 11:34 am

BTW, I tend not to follow (in my conlangs) the convention of capitalising the first letter of the first word of a sentence. I feel that the full stop / period at the end marks the sentence boundary well enough, and this reserves capital letters for marking names. What do folks think?
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