Derivation

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Derivation

Postby Dedalvs » Fri Apr 02, 2010 8:39 pm

Note: I'll keep this post here for historical purposes, but hereafter, the current state of Kenakoliku morphology can be seen (and edited) at http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Amki62P0cV4cdFdYWU5sMEpicERfZzBjc2ZRamRtcEE&hl=en.

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I've been trying to go through the word-creation post and find possible derivational bits. It's a bit difficult (you have to remember everything that's been proposed before the post you're looking at), so I thought I'd just start listing them here. Feel free to add to it. (Note: I'm not listing compounds.)

Prefixes
  • dze-
    • bobaba "to beat" ~ dzebobaba "rhythm"
    • manil "storage container" ~ dzemanil "a grouping of storage containers"
    • nadelu "jewel" ~ dzenadelu "jewelry"
  • go-
    • josana "king" ~ gosana "crown"
  • kem-
    • baloj "loud noise" ~ kembaloj "drum"
  • ti-
    • dzemanil "a grouping of storage containers" ~ tidzemanil "warehouse"

Suffixes
  • -ik
    • olan "to drink" ~ olanik "drinking glass"
  • -ku
    • lai "to hum" ~ laiku "flute"
  • -la
    • paki "to see" ~ pakila "vision"
  • -no
    • itsa "spice" ~ itsano "spicy, hot"

Circumfixes
  • en- -i
    • txifom "hair" ~ entxifomi "strand of hair"
  • ka- -la
    • inata "internet" ~ kainatala "ISP"
    • lai "to hum" ~ kalaila "theremin"
    • likau "to work" ~ kalikaula "computer"
    • txensa "sugar" ~ katxensala "sugar cane"
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Re: Derivation

Postby Matthew Turnbull » Fri Apr 02, 2010 11:49 pm

kem- : derives instruments from nouns?
-ku : derives instruments from verbs? (maybe lai meant something else in the protolang)
ka- -la : derives sources of objects? (sugar from a sugar cane, a hum from a theremin and work from a computer)

just suggestions
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Re: Derivation

Postby kadani » Fri Apr 02, 2010 11:59 pm

I intended kem- to mean "cause of", "origin of"

I think laiku makes most sense when we see it as a compound. Frex: to hum+to whistle
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Re: Derivation

Postby Matthew Turnbull » Sat Apr 03, 2010 8:33 am

cool about kem-, but why would hum-whistle mean flute?
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Re: Derivation

Postby kadani » Sat Apr 03, 2010 8:44 am

Because whistling often makes dissonant noise and something which makes a melody when whistling is a flute. Yes, I know that this logic is forced.
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Re: Derivation

Postby alavda-isere » Sat Apr 03, 2010 2:49 pm

I was thinking about starting a thread for this; I think it's important we clarify derivation lest we create dissimilar words which could be derived from another :)
I also found another case: bobaba: beat; dzebobaba: rhythm. I think dze- must be some way to derive nouns from verbs?
I suggest that maybe, if we do this in the word creation thread, maybe we can explain where we are coming from; it might seem clear to you when you're putting it together, but it can (obviously) be opaque to others!
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Re: Derivation

Postby kadani » Sat Apr 03, 2010 4:40 pm

Maybe dze indicates 'order of' or 'series of'.
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Re: Derivation

Postby alavda-isere » Sat Apr 03, 2010 5:03 pm

kadani wrote:Maybe dze indicates 'order of' or 'series of'.


I like that interpretation! :)
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Re: Derivation

Postby kadani » Sat Apr 03, 2010 5:16 pm

alavda-isere wrote:
kadani wrote:Maybe dze indicates 'order of' or 'series of'.


I like that interpretation! :)

Something like this exists in Turkish as -lik, though many derivations there also are similar to -ness. (happy + that suffix = happiness)

Now I ripped off the Russian -skaya as well downforum as ti.
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Re: Derivation

Postby Matthew Turnbull » Sun Apr 04, 2010 4:23 pm

kadani wrote:Maybe dze indicates 'order of' or 'series of'.

I second it, seems cool
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