Test Driving Word Association Thread Words

[Miatato]

We've generated quite a few words at this point, so if you'd like to test them out in some sentences, here's a place to do it. We could carry over the word association theme and each person could contribute a sentence inspired by the one before...

(If nobody contributes a starting sentence, I'll do that tomorrow. But do jump in if you've got one in mind.)

[kadani]

Here are the current words from the thread in alphabetical order: http://pastebin.org/139048

Felinim isala: the song/s is/are beautiful (I am using -im as plurosingular ending and isala as state verb).

[Matthew Turnbull]

lolomi au botxin momonlu neako
lo-lomi au botxin mo-mo<n>lu ne<a>ko
PL-cat PERF put PL-ring<acc> hand<sec>
some cats put some rings on/in a hand

Im using the case morphology discussed in the trimoraic roots thread, but ignoring the fact that the roots aren't trimoraic, the morphology works anyhow.

[Uh-Oh]

ji likaus kalikaula. = I work (with) a computer.

I've used ji = I from another thread; I hope I remembered that right.
I've appended s to the stem likau to mark it as the verb in the clause.
I've not used any kind of determiner nor plurosingular marker on kalikaula, so it's singular, and its definiteness is unstated.
I've not used any preposition between the verb and the object; it's unclear what it would be, or whether as a verb kilaus would be transitive and thus not need any preposition.

[Dedalvs]

lolomi au botxin momonlu neako
lo-lomi au botxin mo-mo<n>lu ne<a>ko
PL-cat PERF put PL-ring<acc> hand<sec>
some cats put some rings on/in a hand

Im using the case morphology discussed in the trimoraic roots thread, but ignoring the fact that the roots aren't trimoraic, the morphology works anyhow.

I'd say you don't need a preposition here; it's fine without "lu".

Oh, I should add a sentence.

Lomi au ambotxinu nenko be miolu.
"The cat put into the hand by a ring."

The sentence above is an applicative version of Matt's sentence, and it can't really be rendered easily in English. The phrase be miolu is entirely optional; the whole could read Lomi au ambotxinu nenko, and it would mean, "The cat put something into the hand". Note that I have coopted be for my own nefarious purposes, and have decided that it governs the genitive.

Now for some more mischief...

[Dedalvs]

lolomi au botxin momonlu neako
lo-lomi au botxin mo-mo<n>lu ne<a>ko
PL-cat PERF put PL-ring<acc> hand<sec>
some cats put some rings on/in a hand

Neko auna ambotxinu be liomi.
"The hand was put into by the cat."

And that's the passive.

[kadani]

Are we using this... hard grammar now? not that of the book thread?

[Matthew Turnbull]

lolomi au botxin momonlu neako
I'd say you don't need a preposition here; it's fine without "lu".

I didn't put a preposition in there? lu is in the root molu with the infix -n- marking the accusative.

probably I should throw an -s on that there verb lolomi au botxins momonlu neako

Lomi au ambotxinu nenko be miolu

Does that break down to
Lomi au am-botxin-u ne<n>ko be m<i>olu
cat PERF APL1-put-APL1 hand<acc> by ring<gen>
APL1 - a recipient applicative.

Boy I love applicatives, I agree that they're a real pain to explain to people using English alone though
(my Firefox recognizes applicative, but not applicatives???)

[Dedalvs]

lolomi au botxin momonlu neako

I'd say you don't need a preposition here; it's fine without "lu".

I didn't put a preposition in there? lu is in the root molu with the infix -n- marking the accusative.

Whoops! My bad. I misread that.

probably I should throw an -s on that there verb lolomi au botxins momonlu neako

What's the deal with that, anyway? Throwing an s on the end of every single verb makes them look and sound weird.

Lomi au ambotxinu nenko be miolu

Does that break down to
Lomi au am-botxin-u ne<n>ko be m<i>olu
cat PERF APL1-put-APL1 hand<acc> by ring<gen>
APL1 - a recipient applicative.

Sure. In all honesty, I think we can probably do without the cases, though. All you really need are two prepositions. If there's a concern about the grammar getting two complex, we can cut them out.

[Miatato]

Are we using this... hard grammar now? not that of the book thread?

At this stage, I think we're still working it out through usage, so use what you like. We'll see what survives.

Perhaps contact between the two will yield something completely different. Or maybe we'll end up having a few different tribal dialects.

Here's two different versions of the same thought in the "book" grammar, and some of the vocabulary from that (also found in the Weekly Report thread).

The cat rests upon an expensive blanket.

Lomi zongas xueba imdatsenglai tei xuas.

cat is-upon blanket expensive and(simultaneous) rests.

Lomi xuas, dau zongas xueba imdatsenglai.

cat rests, it is-upon blanket expensive.

We don't have a progressive yet, do we?